My comment on: "Twitter And The Race To Zero Or The Rebirth Of Context - Paul Papadimitriou"
8.18.09 / 8pmObviously a lot of thought went into this post, well done for bringing it all together.
Here a few caveats that I developed recently because I tended to disagree with Scoble on his mass unfollow:
1) The "follow as endorsement" issue I consider a bit of a red herring, precisely because the Twitter UI (or any other for that matter), is very limited in allowing for discovering anyone’s followers/following in a meaningful way. Even if someone has the patience to click “next” a dozen or so times, that means you’ll at most discover someone’s most recent “acquisitions” in either rubrique (assuming numbers above 500 or so).
Or, if you are savvy and know how to cue up one’s following/followers from the beginning, the same issue still applies: Those peeps in the middle are nearly undiscoverable without dogged effort. Also, since Twitter natively doesn’t allow for mass subscribes e.g. off of a user’s following list, it really doesn’t matter much who’s in those lists, most people will never know..
(The only current "follower mining" tool that goes in the right direction is @dacort’s excellent http://TweepSearch.com, but it too has its limitations, and there is really no way that the guy could mine all of Twitter’s data to do a job that Twitter should be doing itself, e.g. on the Bio indexing/search.)
2) I have for many months argued that the “reading every Tweet of one’s following inbound stream” is impossible, and have therefore called it the “following myth”. Above a certain number of active Twitter users, the only sane thing to do is to archive and then search/filter ad hoc as needed. “Just in time” information rather than “just in case” information, as Tim Ferriss might say.
FriendFeed has been a reasonably good tool for doing so, although the recent Facebook acquisition throws up a lot of questions, as in, will my “Twitter archive” within FF be safe for the long haul? Where to go in case FF is shut down?
Add to that the fact that FriendFeed made it tricky to import any of one’s Twitter “following” not already present on FF, and it has been less than ideal, but the grouping functionality and sophisticated search capabilities have still made it worth it.
Twitter itself is currently a black hole when it comes to its data stream (Twitter Search reaches back only about 7 days), and of course has NEVER allowed one to search only one’s “with friends” RSS stream natively. Big omission, because there IS a difference between searching it and the Twitter “fire hose” (whenever Twitter Search is actually working that is…):
Whoever I have followed either manually (or, slightly less so, automatically on their follow, if at least somewhat moderated later on by unfollowing/blocking of the worst of spam or inanity; anyone who follows for reasons other than spam has expressed at least a minimum of interest) creates a group that is still a filter of sorts from the din of the Twitter firehose. So it matters if I can search what these people said as opposed to everyone else.
3) The first two points are why I think that Scoble (and others before him) have needlessly executed these mass-unfollows, which took away an inbound stream for them that would be very difficult to recreate. Needlessly also because Scoble was already filtering through FF, Tweetdeck, etc. and could have had (and did have) additional smaller/more focused Twitter accounts, asf.
While that massive stream admittedly is somewhat useless in the Twitter Web UI itself, it does however allow for large scale import into FriendFeed (however imperfectly), from where it can all become manageable/useful again, once split up into a number of groups by interest or topic.
And the full stream coming into your FriendFeed from Twitter is useful in that you can search/filter it as well, and use it as a convenient base from which to discover more of your “following”/friends interests to sort them into your groups.
FriendFeed compared to Tweetdeck et al. has the benefit of persistence of both your groups, and of the steadily growing tweet archives building up for everyone you’ve imported. It’s all there for you, ready to be mined when you need it. Unlike Twitter, FF search reaches back ALL THE WAY. So you can look up what all the people you follow said about e.g. #140conf a few months ago, asf.
Once you look at it like that, you understand that there is a benefit of having as large as possible of an inbound stream of voices. All you need are better search/sort/filter technologies. As I said elsewhere a few weeks ago, “the answer to (social media) technology overwhelm is not retrenchment, it’s better technology.”
My BOLD highlights and a few small expansions added later.


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